Uncle Chico Newsletter # 211
How would you react if the purebred dog you breed was cross-breed and have their pedigrees falsified?
A frankly and openly talk with the important Brazilian CBKC breeders Ney Kurtz (Doberman), José Luiz Cunha Vasconcelos (Siberian Husky), Walter Ferro (German Shepherd) and Jose Graça Aranha (German Shepherd).
And about the “breeders” Sergio Castro and Ricardo Torres Simões?
Dear Fila Brasileiro (FB) and CAFIB friends,
I decided to ask four CBKC famous breeders and with many years of tradition, a simple question: how would you react if the purebred dog you breed and improved for so many years has been cross-breeder by unscrupulous breeders and if they registered the mestizos and mongrel pups from this illegal crossing as purebred dogs at CBKC-FCI ? How would you react? What would you do ?
1st. Interviewee: Ney Kurtz – Charade Kennel – Doberman’s Breeder:
In addition to the initial question above, I exemplified: Ney, how would you react if you someone cross-breed a Doberman with a Rottweiler to make the Doberman more bulky, stronger and larger, or if they crossed the Doberman with White Boxer to “manufacture” the White-Doberman ? Making an analogy to the “freak-fila” and the “black-fila” ?
I think that a miscegenation similar to this one in the Doberman breed would be impracticable and I would report these illegal crossings if the puppies from them were registered as purebred Doberman pups.
A serious fact like this would soon become public, since the breeding of Doberman in Brazil is not commercial, there are few breeders, everyone knows each other, they attend expos and a mass miscegenation would be identified soon. A breeder who commits this illicit would be immediately set apart.
Moreover, unlike when the FB breed was mixed more than 40 years ago, today there is the Internet and DNA. The Internet would lead to instant disclosure across the country and DNA tests would prove the mix unfeasible to fraud,
The Pedigree is a fundamental instrument in breeding, so it should never be falsified. We talked a little more nicely about cynophilia in general.
2nd. Interviewee: José Luiz Cunha Vasconcelos – Tunghats Kennel – Siberian Husky`s Breeder:
In addition to the initial question above, I exemplified: Jose Luiz, how would you react if you someone cross-breed a Siberian Husky with a Alaskan Malamute to make the Siberian Husky more bulky, stronger and larger, or if they crossed the Siberian Husky with Weimaraner to “manufacture” a Siberian Husky with short hair to better adapt to the tropical climate? Making an analogy to the “freak-fila” and the “black-fila” ?
José Luiz commented:
Surely I would report it. This could never happen.
After this objective and direct statement, we talked for nearly 40 minutes about the FB breed in both CAFIB and CBKC and I was very happy because we agreed with most of the points raised, mainly regarding culture, education and technical knowledge of the FB breeder, besides theirs posture and habits outside and inside the ring, etc … As he is traveling to judge abroad we scheduled a meeting after his return. I hope to talk to him again after his return.
Meanwhile Jose Luiz was firmly against the division of the FB breed and the separation of the breeders into two distinct clubs, that is, CAFIB and CBKC. Once again I agreed with Jose Luiz, but I reminded him, pondering, that:
a) I started breeding one Pure Fila – together with two “filas-mestizos” – in 1974 and from 1976 to 1977 I took my complaints to Eugenio Henrique Pereira de Lucena (*), president of the BKC, since I worked in Rio de Janeiro Down Town and a few blocks from the Debret Street where the headquarters of the BKC, who had as “patient” and sweet secretary Carmen Matte. We have always had a good relationship, so much so that he received me at his residence on Aug, 12th-1983 but unfortunately, but in the final analysis, my denunciations were invariably ignored;
(*) Explanatory note for my readers # 1:
In order to better clarify my readers, I comment that in addition to my personal complaints, I wrote and denounced miscegenation via my articles in the Brazilian magazine Animals & Veterinary (A&V) and kept for almost a year a monthly dog column in the Rio`s newspaper Diário de Noticias. In addition to my denounces on pages of A & V, also wrote and denounced in this magazine Dr. Paulo Santos Cruz and veterinarian Cesar Mesquita. These denunciations finally gained national dissemination through the pages of the two most important Brazilian newspapers of that time: Jornal do Brasil, mainly in the column of the Journalist Paulo Godinho, undoubtedly the greatest specialist in cynophilia in Brazil, and O Estado de São Paulo. Only the BKC and after the CBKC knew nothing… But they continued to sell its pedigrees…
b) that CAFIB was founded in early 1978 within BKC as only a Commission — since CBKC was only founded one year after CAFIB in 1979 — that we mail to KCP, (Kennel Club Paulista), then BKC and then to CBKC, these two last clubs mainly managed by Eugenio Henrique Pereira de Lucena, many complaints and proofs of the FB miscegenation, which were never analyzed, investigated and, on the contrary, were systematically and institutionally ignored. Thus, there was no alternative to the defenders of Pure Fila who were forced to leave the BKC in order to rescue the FB from extinction and preserves it to this day in its breed purity. Incidentally, as determined by the FCI With this disconnection the CAFIB changed from a Commission then linked to the BKC to a totally independent Club.
Still on the division of the FB in two Breeds, I reminded Jose Luiz that on Sep, 16th.-2014 I participated, duly authorized by CAFIB, of a meeting sponsored by journalist Paulo Roberto Godinho, with Sergio Castro, who is still the current president of the CBKC, in the headquarters of this club and, as a result of this meeting and at the request of this president, I forwarded on Oct, 9th -2014 the CBKC / CAFIB Partnership Agreement Proposal on which, unfortunately, we never get any comment, however unbelievable this may be in the world civilized.
So I commented that I believe that the CBKC – and also the FCI, since this club has always been omitted — besides of course the first cross breeders and their followers to date — , are the only and great responsible for the existence of two groups of very different breeders of FB or, that is, of the existence of the CAFIB-Fila and the CBKC-Fila. Since the CAFIB-Fila has a definite, unique and homogeneous phenotype and temperament; while the CBKC-Fila, on the other hand, accepts, breeds and registers an enormous heterogeneity of types.
Explanatory note for my readers # 2:
In order to give my readers the full and correct clarification of how the important events took place, I demonstrate below:
- The first official complaint still in the beginning of the formation of CAFIB was dated May 20th.-1978 (http://www.filabrasileirochicopeltier.com.br/8-Documentos-de-1978/8-9.jpg and Photo # 1 below) addressed to nobody less than the since many years all-powerful CBKC director Ricardo Torres Simões;
- The response to the letter above we received from KCP on May, 29th.-1978 that proves the receipt of the above complaint is at http://www.filabrasileirochicopeltier.com.br/8-Documentos-de-1978/8-10.jpg and in Photo # 2 below. It is important to point out that this was the only practical and objective response received from the then BKC-CBKC System to date, this is, in the last 40 years…;
- As this above resource was denied by the KCP and by indication of this club, we then turned to BKC in the person of the same Eugenio Henrique Pereira de Lucena (http://www.filabrasileirochicopeltier.com.br/8-Documentos-de-1978/8-10.jpg – Photo # 3 below). However CAFIB letter was never answered, being totally ignored by the BKC;
Note: at this time the CAFIB General Secretary was the journalist Luiz Antonio Maciel who then signed all CAFIB letters.
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- The fact is that many other denunciations, evidence, testimonials, newspaper articles and magazines have been forwarded to the BKC-CBKC and all of them were always ignored. See one of the most complete and important denunciations made on Aug, 3rd.-1978 and forwarded among others to the CBKC and the FCI in English at http://www.filabrasileirochicopeltier.com.br/8-14/Page6.html – Photo # 4 and 5 below. This complaint is so absurdly clear that I even attached a photo of João Batista Gomes, owner of Sete Barras Kennel – São Paulo, President of the former Paulista Club of Fila Brasileiro (??? !!!), today SPFB with his Old English Mastiff male, importing with another English Mastiff also male (??? !!!). So, this is a very interesting way to start a breeding in a country where there was no Old English Mastiff: with two males !!! Author of this complaint: Uncle Chico.
See also an unbelievable self-denunciation with the authorship of the “bumbling” Procópio do Vale at http://www.filabrasileirochicopeltier.com.br/7-Cao-Preto-x-Fila-Puro/fila-brasileiro-Afila-brasileiro-A.jpg and in Photo # 7 below.
This, my friends, not to mention the denunciations that I have made repeated and unrelenting times since 2009 directly to CBKC and FCI, the latter club to its former president Hans Muller and the current one, Rafael de Santiago, always in English.
Today, more than four decades after the beginning of the FB miscegenation, never a single representative of the BKC-CBKC or of the FCI passing through Brazil was interested in investigating this subject, never an inquiring process was open or a survey was organized, never questioning were done… Absolutely nothing...
- Being this group of breeders that started CAFIB in 1978 totally against miscegenation in the FB breed – as well as all those interviewed here -, as they did not want to breed “mestizos-filas” with “fakes” pedigrees and since we never received the due and obliging attention from BKC, we left this club on July, 17th.-1979 (see CAFIB letter to Ayrton Schaeffer at the time president of the BKC in http://www.filabrasileirochicopeltier.com.br/9-Documentos-ate-1979/9_6/materia.html – Photo # 6 below). Thus, this Commission became an independent Club, which in 1980 was authorized by the Brazilian Ministry of Agriculture to issue its own pedigrees and to control the Fila Brasileiro.
Note: this letter mail to Ayrton Schaeffer about the eminent rupture above written by the journalist Luiz Antonio Maciel, at that time Secretary General CAFIB, is one of the most important documents in the History of the FB, besides noting the probable and imminent disruption of CAFIB with BKC, officially reports a sequence of events that again denounce and prove the FB miscegenation, notably via the incredible self-incrimination of the “breeder” Procópio do Vale, but known as being the “inventor” of the “black-fila” according to the article of his authorship published in Yearbook 1978-79 of the magazine Animals & Veterinary. (see in http://www.filabrasileirochicopeltier.com.br/9-Documentos-ate-1979/9_6/materia.html
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Returning to my conversation with Jose Luiz:
Jose Luiz also commented that he understands that the breeders are solely responsible for informing CBKC of the correct data for pedigree issuing purposes. I also agreed, but I emphasized that I understand that this should never apply to the FB, precisely because of the miscegenation recognized even by the former president of BKC-CBKC, Eugenio Henrique Pereira de Lucena, former FCI vice-president Christofer Habig, by the journalist Paulo Roberto Godinho, in addition to dozens of directors, judges and breeders of the CBKC-FCI itself. Not to mention the dozens of confessions and hundreds of “freak-fila” photos posted on social networks.
Therefore, I understand that in the case of FB CBKC-FCI should monitor the data contained in the pedigrees that they issue and validate. After all, it is the CBKC and FCI and not the breeders who attest the veracity of the data on the pedigrees being sold. How much is the seal of the centenary FCI worth in a “false” pedigree? Why is the FCI so exposed to this risk and threat?
3rd. Interviewee: Walter Ferro – Hirten der Nacht Kennel – German Shepherd`s Breeder:
In addition to the initial question above, I exemplified: Walter, how would you react if someone cross-breed a German Shepherd with Rottweiler to make the German Shepherd bigger, stronger and larger or if they crossed the German Shepherd with a Great Dane Harlequin, to “manufacture” the German Shepherd Harlequin with short hair? Making an analogy to the “freak-fila” and the “black-fila“?
I would report it, without any doubt.
But you are not remembering me, I respect your work and CAFIB a lot. I was a FB breeder, we met almost 40 years ago. My FB Kennel was called Tucuruí. As I was already breeding German Shepherd, I decided to breed also the FB to give my contribution to this Brazilian national breed. But I gave up because I started to breed FB at the height of miscegenation, which was denounced by you and CAFIB. I collected all the newspapers FILA edited by Luiz Antonio Maciel from CAFIB. Everyone was aware of miscegenation and that the “black-fila” never exist. A pity, the FB did not deserve miscegenation. Laymen and unprepared people, without any control and selection, mixed the FB with similar breeds, but which were in fact very different. There is no dog breeding that does not respect breed purity. Miscegenation as occurred in FB only added problem. But I only took 3 litters and due to the miscegenation I gave up breeding FB.
After remembering Walter very well, we had a long conversation of almost 40 minutes, we talked about the beginning of CAFIB, the FB, updated him about our growth, Walter vibrated a lot and I learned that he is a former president of the Brazilian Society German Shepherd and is currently Chairman of the Board of Breeding Judges of this club.
That is, with the departure of Walter from the FB breeding, the biggest loser was FB itself, CAFIB, the serious and honest FB breeders. I wonder how many “Walters” gave up breeding FB because of miscegenation and migrated to other breeds. Everyone loses with miscegenation, other than who makes money selling “fila-mestizos” and “fake” pedigrees. And fuck FB !!!
4th. Interviewee: Jose Graça Aranha – Haus Flamboyant Kennels – German Shepherd`s Breeder:
I did not even have to ask the third interviewer’s question above.
Of course I would report and would denounce it. Miscegenation is an unfortunate fact. This would be impossible in the German Shepherd, because for decades we have maintained a rigid control that includes RX of the hindquarters, of the elbows and examination of DNA. This data is sent to our database in Germany. José is the president of the Brazilian Club of the German Shepherd, recognized by the World Union of German Shepherds (WUSV) and the German Shepherd Confederation of the Americas (COAPA).
Another excellent conversation with those who breed an organized dog breed , within an organized club (as CAFIB) and an organized Country. I commented with him that if the FB were German it would be admired and recognized worldwide… José agreed…
Too bad these interviewees do not breed FB !!!
Explanatory note for my readers # 3:
And about the “breeders” Sergio Castro and Ricardo Torres Simões?
I did not ask these two simple questions to the two great CEO`s… of the Brazilian cynophilia, respectively, Sergio Castro and Ricardo Torres Simões, because in the first place they would answer nothing to you, thus continuing their eternal omission with respect to the Fila Brasileiro. And, secondly, and much more importantly: as far as I am concerned, they have never bred any purebred dog as a breeder. That is to say, they are two dog-politicians. That is, as users must manage and travel.
A – My dear readers, so it is concluded that if the Fila Brasileiro were German or English it would be admired and respected all over the world. As it is Brazilian and was breed and registered in the BKC-CBKC-FCI that have always been complicit in the existing miscegenation in a of systematic and institutional form – as occurred in the recent case of doping in the Russian Olympic Committee – it has been verified for more than four decades the diversity and heterogeneity of types – and even the “freak-fila” and the “black-fila” within the so-called Fila-CBKC.
B – Thanks God CAFIB was formed !!! The only club responsible for having rescued the FB from extinction and having preserved it until today in its breed purity. In the CAFIB- Fila there are no miscegenation, since this club respects and practices the CAFIB Breeding Philosophy.
C – All four breeders interviewed above would react as I reacted more than 44 years ago, with only 24 years and alone: I denounced the existing miscigenation in the Fila Brasileiro to BKC, CBKC and FCI (always in English)… In addition, I was responsible by the return of Dr. Paulo Santos Cruz – Father of Fila Brasileiro – to the cynophilia when I visited him in February of 1976 (see http://www.filabrasileirochicopeltier.com.br/4-Documentos-de-1975-e-1976/4-17.jpg) and helped to form CAFIB.
So if all the renowned breeders mentioned above would denounce miscegenation if this had occurred in the breeds they bred, why do neophytes complain about Uncle Chico?
Alias, thinking positively, who knows if with the disclosure of this interview, the serious and honest leaders of the CBKC do not ask for the impeachment of Sergio Castro?
Good luck to everyone
Best regards, Chico Peltier.