Ask Uncle Chico # 154
Still on the so-called “black-fila” …
The dog called “black-fila” is the famous im–pure by cross !!!
The impartiality of the writer Uncle Chico in the “black-fila” case…
The philosopher Antonio Gramsci and the CBKC-FCI Fila and “fila”…
Myopic Grenade man returns to attack… —- Ricardo Torres Simões and the “black-fila“…
CAFIB friends, continuing with our conversations…
- Uncle Chico, I’m flattered that you is using photos of my dogs in your articles. The photo of the puppy you posted is 70% CAFIB. But he is black color.
Uncle Chico’s Response:
But I do not really know 99% of the CBKC dogs I post some photos. Also do not know theirs owners.
The same is true with the CAFIB photos.
For example, in this article mentioned by you (Ask Uncle Chico # 152), from the photos of the CAFIB-Filas, taking Lord’s apart, I recognize the head of Baiuca do Balacobaco and the Fila Brasileiro of the whole-body photo of the left, but I do not know for sure it is the Vulcão or Zenon de Itanhandu.
The CAFIB Filas photos I receive from our members and breeders or I take from the CAFIB official website.
The Lord’s picture was sent to me by Airton Campbell. It was taken in one of the many expeditions carried out by CAFIB shortly after its foundation to the South of Minas Gerais, a Brazilian State, when we were beginning to form the CAFIB squad of PURE Fila Brasileiro.
After all, as everyone knows, but pretend not to know, a dog breed is rescued from extinction, as was the case of Fila Brasileiro, for breeders with a lot of technical and historical knowledge, much work, a lot of control, selection, discarding of dogs out of the Standard, many financial resources and time.
So, the name of the dog and the owner do not interest me.
My focus is solely on the phenotype presented in each photo posted.
Well, a lot of people do not notice, but my website and blog are journalistic and educational.
My goal is to inform. Each one draws their conclusions.
My friends and collaborators send me lots of photos and only guarantee that they are Filas or “filas” registered in CBKC-FCI, or whose owners think or pretend their dogs are True Fila Brasileiro. But aren`t.
Another collaborator cuts out the photos in order to make the dog identification impossible. So I seek to respect and treat all owners with due attention. Especially those who own “mestizos-filas“. So, well informing and teaching is always my website and blog focus.
Therefore, informing dog`s names is not the goal. The objective is the type, the phenotypic.
I am sorry that the vast majority of the collaborators I have, especially those who send me questions and many suggestions prefer anonymity. Uncle Chico ended up being of course a pole of information about the Fila Brasileiro, about the “mestizo-fila”, the miscegenation and the omitted leaders.
I did not understand your statement that the photo of the puppy you mention would be “70% CAFIB“.
As far as my knowledge goes, when two different dog breed cross, one arrives MATEMATICALLY and not necessarily at a certain dog type, after successive crossings at 50%, 75%, 87.5%…
Did you read my article in English https://filabrasileirochicopeltierblog.wordpress.com/2017/06/09/post-n-479-ask-uncle-chico-153-still-about-the-so-called-black-fila-procopio-do-vale-x-paulo-godinho-ines-van-damme-tio-chico-date-jun-9th-2017/
Would not you be encouraged to lead the creation of the Black Fila Bred at CBKC? I hope so.
If this were to be done it would be ingratiating all those who love dogs of this color and who have their phenotype somewhat resembling that of Fila Brasileiro.
But they are not real and true Fila Brasileiro.
They will have my full support, and I believe that also from Mr. Paulo Godinho (note: very famous Brazilian journalist and all round CBKC-FCI judge who wrote a wonderful book about the Fila Brasileiro. Suggest you check at HTTP://blogdopaulogodinho.blogspot.com or email to firstname.lastname@example.org ) and many breeders of Fila Brasileiro and the several “black-fila” breeders.
I think even CBKC and FCI.
Very few people know, but this proposal was almost officially made in 2010 by Mr. Paulo Azevedo, who at the time was chairman of the CBKC Referees Council, now occupied by Mr. Ricardo Torres Simões, who could certainly take this necessary initiative. Mr. Simões just want to !!!
But Mr. Paulo Azevedo, who was very respected at the CBKC, became ill and then passed away.
My only disagreement with this group led by Mr. Paulo Azevedo is that, for me, the “black-fila” should only cross (later, after it was transformed into a purebred dog, to mate) with “black-fila” since the breeders are from Black Fila and the breed would be called Black Fila. That is, the “black-fila” would be improved among themselves always in search of a well pre-defined phenotype and temperament. I. e., it`s Black Fila own Standard.
But Mr. Paulo Azevedo is gone and the CBKC leaders are always very lazy when it comes to any Fila Brasileiro matters.
The renowned and respected all-rounder judge of the CBKC and journalist Paulo Godinho in his book “Fila Brasileiro: a Gift of the Stars” (see email above)
also defends the creation of Black Fila Breed at CBKC.
Below is a photo of Tição do Kirimauá, one of the first “ black-fila” “manufactured”, in the 70’s by Mr. Procópio do Vale, owner of Kirimauá Kennel, based in the city of Juiz de For (MG), also called The Father of Black Fila.
- Dear Uncle Chico, a very well-known defender of the so-called “black-fila” posted in a facebook that he knows very well that this color did not really exist in the origin of the Fila Brasileiro Breed, but came into existence after the miscegenation of the 70s and 80s, when the Fila Brasileiro was cross-breed with the slender and tall BLACK Great Dane and the thick and stocky BLACK Neapolitan Mastin. But he understands that after almost 5 decades the “black-fila” came into existence, after so many spurious crossings, via the system called Pure by Cross dog. Do you agree?
Uncle Chico’s Response:
Of course not !!!
This is another very good clearly confession of the mestizo / miscegenation origin of the so-called “black-fila“.
And I prove: the paper, the fragile theories without intelligent and logical confirmation, as well as the facebook posts launched by the myopic Grenade man… accept anything. But not the reality. This excuse of Pure by Cross, aiming at the acceptance of the “cross-breed-filas” of all colors, including black, was tried years ago without success by mestizos “fila” breeders based on the Brazilian Northeast. But it was soon unmasked. Now reappears from the ashes again on this facebook…
What we have and will continue to have for decades is the “black-fila” im-pure by cross… Note that the “black-fila” breeders do not even have a single pre-established and defined phenotype, to be idealized and persecuted as Standard. Each breeder has its own type of “black-fila” pet. And these types are very heterogeneous with each other.
See below in practice the result of the im-pure by cross “black-fila“. And I ask: how can dogs so heterogeneous and without definite type be considered Pure by Cross? These photos below are an irrefutable “Grenade”… thrown that destroys this flawed and inconsistent theory that seeks to justify the “black-fila” dog miscegenation.
Where does this Grenade… people see purebred dog in such heterogeneity of types clearly demonstrated above? Only do not see this enormous difference of dog types the ones who does not want to see!!!
Unfortunately the CBKC-FCI has yet not fixed an homogeneous and unique racial type for the Fila Brasileiro registered in such club due to the miscegenation that occurs in the 70`sand 80`s and disorganized completely its squad. If CBKC still do not have the yellow-Fila and the brindle-Fila homogenous type, imagine the “black-fila“, who was form using the BLACK Great Dane and the BLACK Neapolitan Mastin ???!!!
These breeders of mestizos-filas of all colors lost almost 50 years !!! And they are still at zero point !!! With several different types of “filas” …
These breeders do not have and never had the technical and historical knowledge, much work, control, selection, discarding (of non-typical dogs), financial resources and enough time to reach and breed the PURE Fila Brasileiro, as CAFIB does since 1978 !!!
THE IRREFUTABLE FACT IS THAT THESE PEOPLE THINK THAT THEY ARE REAL
BREEDERS OF FILA BRASILEIRO BUT, IN TRUTH, THEY LIKE MORE THEIR OWN
DOGS THAN THE FILA BRASILEIRO BREED.
- Dear Chico, do you consider yourself impartial when dealing with the controversial “black-fila” case?
Uncle Chico’s Response:
Of course, without any doubt !!!
To prove my impartiality, I remember that one of the sites and blogs that most contains and divulges the only theory and argumentation about the origin and existence of the “black-fila” imagined by Mr. Procópio do Vale, the Father of the “Black Fila”, are just mine. Not only in the menu http://www.filabrasileirochicopeltier.com.br/7.html and especially in the article in English http://www.filabrasileirochicopeltier.com.br/22-fila-brasileiro-3ENG.html
but also and in http://www.filabrasileirochicopeltier.com.br/7-Cao-Preto-x-Fila-Puro/fila-brasileiro-Afila-brasileiro-A.jpg , http://www.filabrasileirochicopeltier.com.br/8-Documentos-de-1978/8_32/materia.html , http://www.filabrasileirochicopeltier.com.br/8-Documentos-de-1978/8_33/materia.html and also in English in http://www.filabrasileirochicopeltier.com.br/fila-brasileiro/index.html among many other articles. So, it is up to my reader to judge.
- Uncle Chico, let me remind your readers the phrase of the philosopher Antonio Gramsci: “The new one has not yet been born. But the old is already dead“. For me this phrase represents the Fila and the “fila” registered at the CBKC-FCI: that is, the old-fila of the CBKC-FCI is already dead and the new one is not yet born. Congratulations to CAFIB. If it were not for this club the True Fila Brasileiro would have disappeared !!!
Uncle Chico’s Response:
Wonderful, great comparison !!!
Best regards, Chico Peltier.